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242 没個性化されたレス↓[sage] 投稿日：2016/11/08(火) 21:37:44.21
「西木野 真姫」がISTPとINTJどっちかわからん・・・
外人の解説に引っ張られて>>236ではINTJにしたが
全体的な印象はNよりSなんだよなあ
「西木野 真姫」がISTPとINTJどっちかわからん・・・
外人の解説に引っ張られて>>236ではINTJにしたが
全体的な印象はNよりSなんだよなあ
議論2
I'm a foreigner, and I don't know much Japanese so I use English. In my opinion, Kotori Minami is ISFJ, not INFP. We can see her Fe, the care to Honoka, not Fi. The lack of courage and the obedience to either her parents or Honoka, in my opinion is Si. ISFJ is the guardian, the caretaker, and the loyalist. Kotori accords to all that above perfectly.
議論3
Hello from an INFP, I'm going to explain why Kotori is an INFP but have some Fe and Si vibe that made some guys thought that she's an ISFJ.
From the episode of "Minalinsky" we can see her Fi when she was attracted by the maids, if Fe / Te is working she'd tell Umi (at least) she's working as a maid. Also in the episode of revealing her departure from school, her reactions are Fi and somewhat Si-based with her avoidance behaviour, as she valued Honoka as her best friend as she don't wan't to hurt her feeling, if Te is working well she'd tell all the members in advance, even before Honoka collapsed on stage.
The interactions between Honoka and Kotori is interesting because they're both NFPs and according to some YiJing (易經) based analysis, NFPs would change themselves into SFJs and STJ in comfort zone, hence showing A limited degree of empathy / efficiency (Fe / Te dragged by Fi). Honoka in "idol mode" is just like STJs going straight forward towards her target, not allowing anything blocking her. Kotori in "Minalinsky mode" turned herself into an SFJ, she just want anything go smooth but can sacrifice her will for others to achieve their goal.
When things just go so wrong that triggered Honoka's rage on Kotori of blaming her for hiding the truth (unhealthy Fi for not knowing the difficulty for Kotori at the moment), and then ruining her road to the idol stage (unhealthy Te), they both fell back to the void, Honoka became a dark ENTP, blaming on herself for the retirement and declaring she's quitting Muse. Kotori then move on towards her departure quietly.
From the episode of "Minalinsky" we can see her Fi when she was attracted by the maids, if Fe / Te is working she'd tell Umi (at least) she's working as a maid. Also in the episode of revealing her departure from school, her reactions are Fi and somewhat Si-based with her avoidance behaviour, as she valued Honoka as her best friend as she don't wan't to hurt her feeling, if Te is working well she'd tell all the members in advance, even before Honoka collapsed on stage.
The interactions between Honoka and Kotori is interesting because they're both NFPs and according to some YiJing (易經) based analysis, NFPs would change themselves into SFJs and STJ in comfort zone, hence showing A limited degree of empathy / efficiency (Fe / Te dragged by Fi). Honoka in "idol mode" is just like STJs going straight forward towards her target, not allowing anything blocking her. Kotori in "Minalinsky mode" turned herself into an SFJ, she just want anything go smooth but can sacrifice her will for others to achieve their goal.
When things just go so wrong that triggered Honoka's rage on Kotori of blaming her for hiding the truth (unhealthy Fi for not knowing the difficulty for Kotori at the moment), and then ruining her road to the idol stage (unhealthy Te), they both fell back to the void, Honoka became a dark ENTP, blaming on herself for the retirement and declaring she's quitting Muse. Kotori then move on towards her departure quietly.
STPって、PなのにJ的な頑固な側面あるよね
一度自分の中で決めたことに対してこだわるというか・・・
NTPがコロコロ意見変えるのと対照的だと思う
243 没個性化されたレス↓[sage] 投稿日：2016/11/08(火) 23:12:47.85
>236ラブライブについては俺も良く考えた事があるんだけど、個人的に希はinfjかなと思う。コミュ力は高いけど、eほどの積極性は感じないかな。
真姫はsかnで迷うけど、海未と比べると確かにnっぽい。
にこはどちらかと言うと保護者気質なのでsjっぽい。面倒見の良さからどちらかと言うとesfjに近いのかなと。
後は概ね同意ですね。
なんか改めて考えると分類が難しい…。どのキャラも、いろんな要素持ってるから一概には言えなくなっちゃうね。
あくまでも、俺の考えって事でね。
244 没個性化されたレス↓[sage] 投稿日：2016/11/09(水) 01:09:12.26
>243ありがとう
確かに、希はNiが強い描写が多い気がする。
外向に近いINFJってことか
真姫については、台詞集を見返したらINTJで納得できた
INTJもISTPもNiがあるから似てくるんだろうな
海外のフォーラムものぞいてみた感じ、一番大きな違いは物事への対処法のようだ
INTJ：事態の流れを把握することを重視し、計画的に動く（Te）
ISTP：とりあえず動いてからその場その場で考える（Se）
これを見ると確かに真姫はINTJっぽい
にこは・・・たしかに面倒見はいいんだけど、FじゃなくてTだと思う
そして海外ではESTPが主流
TeとNiが強いタイプだと思うので個人的にはENTJをなお押したい
にこについては他の人の意見も聞きたいね
251 没個性化されたレス↓[sage] 投稿日：2016/11/09(水) 12:40:59.28
ヒラリーはINTJ
トランプはENTJ
って感じがする
上にあるラブライブの真姫とにこの関係によく似てる
252 没個性化されたレス↓[sage] 投稿日：2016/11/09(水) 14:15:23.54
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花陽はISFPで良いと思うけどな。
趣味は絵描き特技は折り紙って言う手先を使うのが得意な所、食べる事が好きな所から、SiよりもSeだと思う。
あとSJならばもっと規範的で社交的だと思うし。
INFPのことりと並ぶマイペース、癒やし系からも花陽ISFPを推すわ。
公野先生版のにこちゃんは確かにENTPっぽい
でもアニメ版はTJっぽい
海外でもにこはENTPって考察してる人がいたな
個人的な考察でもEP型を推したい
花陽ISFJでにこESTP（次点ENTP）かなあ、それ以外はしっくりきた
いわゆる3バカトリオを並べると全員EP（探索優勢）でうまくはまるけど、どうだろう
（EP型：その場を楽しむ、元気いっぱい、落ち着きがない）
真姫は計画型の性格だと思うから
ISTPにしちゃうと、やっぱりしっくり来ないんだよなぁ。
ISTPって学校の勉強には集中出来ない傾向があるみたいだけど、真姫は勉強熱心だし、Sにしては全体像を把握するのに長けてる感じがするから。
真姫ちゃんはやはりINTJだと思う。